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Tuesday, March 20, 2018

It Begins: Florida Police Now Confiscating Guns From People With No Due Process

A Florida man has become the first person in the state to have his due process removed and his guns taken before he was determined to be mentally unfit and before he was accused of a crime.

 Broward, FL — In what’s being called the first gun confiscation of its kind in Florida, police have taken four guns and a couple hundred rounds of ammunition from a 56-year-old Lighthouse Point man. The man was not tried, had not committed a crime, and the guns were solely removed because “experts” deemed him a threat.

The guns and ammunition have been temporarily removed from the man under the state’s new “risk protection” law, which is also sometimes called “red flag” legislation, Lighthouse Point City Attorney Michael Cirullo confirmed, according to the Sun-Sentinal.

“We know it’s the first case of its kind in Broward County and we think it’s the first one in Florida, under the new law,” Cirullo said. “Up until the introduction of this law last week, there was no process for us to protect the public in this kind of situation.”

In Florida, prior to passing the new gun control law, people deemed psychologically unfit could be involuntarily hospitalized under what is called the Baker Act. During this involuntary admission to a hospital, the person is evaluated to determine if they are a risk to themselves or others.

Only after they had been psychologically evaluated and deemed a threat could the government then move in to temporarily disarm them. Now, however, this tiny bit of due process is no longer necessary and “experts” can simply deem someone a threat and take their guns.


Although the 56-year-old man was subsequently Baker Act-ed, his guns were taken before this happened.

To illustrate the insidious nature of Florida’s new bill and its rights-violating implications, prior to the new legislation, if police would have done what they did to this 56-year-old man—taken his guns with no due process—they would be fired and fined up to $5,000.

It is important to note that this man was certainly acting strangely and, according to the Sun-Sentinal, he told officers he “was being targeted and burglarized by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and a neighbor who lives in (his) building,” the judge wrote in his order. “(He) could not describe the neighbor but stated that the neighbor ‘shape shift, he can change heights and I’m not sure where he comes from’ and ‘to be honest, he looks like Osama Bin Laden.'”

He also turned off all of his power to the apartment he lived in. By all means, he was acting very strangely. However, he still deserved due process.
It will now be up to the man to prove that he is healthy enough to ever be able to get his guns back again.


To be clear, no one here is advocating for people determined to be mentally unfit to be able to possess firearms. However, they need to be determined to be mentally unfit before they lose their rights.

This law was a reaction to the shooting in Parkland, however, it is important to point out that there were already laws on the books that should’ve stopped Nikolas Cruz from ever getting a gun. Citing Cruz as the reason for advocating the removal of due process, the anti-gun activists are claiming he should’ve had his guns taken which would have prevented the tragedy. Sadly, however, they are ignoring the fact that he was accused of multiple felonies—and should’ve never been able to purchase a gun in the first place—but law enforcement failed to act on any of it.

In Florida, if a person making death threats intends for the victim to fear for her safety, specifically fearful of death or bodily harm, it is considered a credible threat under the law, which changes the crime from stalking, a first-degree misdemeanor, to aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree. Cruz was reported at least 4 times for this very crime before he bought his AR-15 and police did nothing.

Florida’s law also mirrors another due process-removing law that was recently used in Washington state to remove a man’s guns.

As TFTP reported earlier this month, there is a law on the books known as the Extreme Risk Protection Order or ERPO, which went into effect in June of 2017. This law is used when a person is considered an “extreme” threat as reported by police and family members. An ERPO must be approved by a judge and only after this person is proven to be a danger to themselves or others can police move in to confiscate their weapons.


“We now have to go to someone’s house and knock on the door and say, ‘We’re from the government. Can we have your guns?’” Seattle police Sgt. Eric Pisconski told KIRO Radio’s Dave Ross. “That can get very dangerous.”
While touted as a necessary tool for police, an ERPO and Florida’s new law both remove due process as the person who is accused of being mentally unstable does not have to be present and gets no chance of facing their accuser.

To those who may be in favor of such laws, consider the following: There is no way to stop an estranged spouse from call police repeatedly and telling them their ex is threatening to cause harm to others. While the man in Florida had his guns taken for being psychologically unfit, the man in Seattle simply open-carried a pistol and looked out of windows and his guns were taken because his neighbors thought it was strange.

Anyone, any time, now has the ability to claim someone else is a threat and have police take their guns. One does not need to delve into the multiple ‘what if’ scenarios to see what sort of ominous implications arise from such a practice. What’s more, police now have the power to deem you a threat at any time and legally disarm you—due process be damned.

This is the exact scenario that Donald Trump advocated for in February. Last month, notorious gun-grabber Senator Dianne Feinstein, sat next to Donald Trump and likely salivated over his remarks as he called for the removal of due process and to “take the guns first.” Now, police are doing just that.
 
To those that support the removal of due process under the ostensible notion that it would make you safer, you would do well to remember history before you or someone you know finds yourself subject to these very laws.
Article posted with permission from The Free Thought Project

 https://freedomoutpost.com/begins-florida-police-now-confiscating-guns-people-no-due-process/

6 comments:

  1. There's this thing I termed as INTERNET SCHIZOPHRENIA and that has to deal with folks that do not have enough common sense nor deductive reasoning to decipher B.S. from reality... I'm one of them!

    But, there is also real Schizophrenia.

    Internet Schizo. can be cured instantly by researching resources for validity and proof, using empirical evidence and an educated guess. Basically I'm saying that if a person is addicted to social media things like:

    Targeted Individuals
    Gang Stalking
    UFO
    Aliens
    Covert Operations
    Mind Control
    WW3
    Syria
    Refugees
    Portals

    Russia, Chiiina, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen

    Antartica
    North Pole
    Pole Shift
    North Korea and fat little Jimmie Jung In

    Islam, Muslims, JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, MORMON MISSIONARIES and Christians

    YouTube
    Tyler of Secureteam10
    mrmbb333
    bpearthwatch
    pastor Paul Begley
    Steven Ben DeNoon
    James from the "That's Impossible" channel
    Putin
    Trump
    Theresa Maye
    Angela "Hitler" Merkel
    Mayans
    Illegal immigrants
    Border wall
    Calexit
    Brexit
    Magrav

    OBAMA AND THE DEVIL, birth certificate, Kenya

    Clinton, crime syndicate and the body count

    Seth Rich
    Blood rituals
    Spirit cooking
    Racism
    Aliens from outer space
    Medications to cure x, y & z
    Naturopathic cure all's

    Joe Biden, his daughter and the Iranian Prince Marriage connections

    Russian Collusion
    Where is Bill O'Rielly
    Fox News
    Real news
    Twitter
    FAKE NEWS
    CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS
    VEGAS
    FBI, CIA, DEA, ABC, XYZ

    The point is that a person can sit and dwell on everything from A to Z and literally fry their own brains if they don't have the logic and reasoning skills.

    I am a researcher, college educated specifically to do so from a communications department of mass media.

    Real schizophrenia is when people see things and hear audible or can not make the connection between what they read and reality.

    THIS GENTLEMAN IS ILL. HE NEEDED HELP. HE DID NOT NEED FIREARMS.

    AND WE HAVE A CHOICE AS A SOCIETY TO SAY WHO AND WHO CAN NOT POSSES THESE WEAPONS.

    AND FOR THE NAY SAYERS... A FLIPPING NUCLEAR BOMB THEORETICALLY FALLS UNDER THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND SHOULD JUST ANYONE BE ALLOWED TO POSSES ONE?

    That said... The differences between INTERNET SCHIZOPHRENIA AND A REAL ENGRAINED MENTAL ILLNESS AS SUCH SCHIZOPHRENIA must be clearly established.

    Real Schizophrenia is a problem if untreated.

    Internet Schizophrenia... MOST ALL OF US HAVE... and its making us as a society SMARTER AND MORE WELL INFORMED.

    For sakes man... The guy had a Little Midget Osama Bin Laden peeking through his dry wall and watching his every move... AND IT COULD BE TRUE.

    BUT... VEGAS IS REAL AND WE THE PEOPLE DESERVE ANSWERS

    THIS CASE... HIS NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED... OVER HYPOTHETICAL THINGS LIKELY FOUND ON SOCIAL MEDIA... WTF

    Its not an infringement on the 2ND amendment to secure medical diagnosis for presumed mental illnesses... Its not!

    Social Media... Its our way now and our future!

    Social Media... Internet Schizophrenia versus reality!!!

    Welcome to the Future.

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  2. Sounds like Hitler is alive and ell in Florida. Let the games begin.

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  3. just some dude with dslMarch 21, 2018 at 4:24 AM

    mo, this entire account is bullshit. Not saying Freewill (love ya guy, kicks ass!) is promoting fake news but take a step back and think about it,,? One couple in 'florida' gets there guns raided, hmmm, really? and that's national gun confiscation? Sounds like fake news too me... Need more backstory... Did this actually happen?

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  4. Maybe the guy that lives in an 'upscale' neighborhood ought to keep that in mind, owning a '71'FORD PINTO, he might get raided and tossed in jail for owning a car known to explode, AND KILL SOMEONE {think about gun confiscations} because some aho THINKS it will kill someone when it gets rammed in the ass, because he didn't buy a $80,000 HUMVEE, to keep up with the status quo, OR the Heinzlemanns driveway across the street, full of Maybachs and Rolls Royces-This whole country is going right down the proverbial shitter, because of ahos like the previous bastard in the White House, which hopefully he'll end up in the BIG HOUSE-Total BULLSHIT, OK? Guns don't kill people, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE- A loaded gun can lay on a kitchen table, or on a shelf, and it won't kill anyone, UNTIL, some jackass decides he's had a bad day, and decides to go postal, picks it up and pull the f'n trigger-BUT, you can't tell the special interest groups, the lobbyists, the liberals, progressives, and democrats that what so ever, because this is how they were programmed-We ALL need to vote those stupid bastards out of everywhere that is a serious threat to us- So, when you vote, don't vote for any of them-

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